Unbelievable!
I figure I would come here and give you all a second chance. So I get here and see the first post up is rathe travel agency dumbasses at it again.
I see you people still have no real mission other than spreading hatred and lies, and you are sicker than ever.
In case you don't remember me the last time I was here about 2 months ago Mr diggo wrote what I considered a very offensive short story. I replied to it sharing my disgust at the lowness sunk to in that short story and have no doubt my reply was promptly deleted.
Then I come here read that post and see you all have managed to reach an all-new low.
First, if you are going to call someone a "dumbass" you should know there is no such word. Putting it like that frankly points out you yourself are a dumb ass (notice proper usage).
Then you post someones email as with the obvious intent of posting his email to be for harassment. Perhaps you should contact a lawyer and find out the legal ramifications of what you have done. And how does inviting the harassment of someone opposed to your cause help your case as those who are harassed? Pure stupidity!
But wait, it gets better! Then you proceed with a few quips hinting at the truthfulness of the average EQ player stereotype. Yet you are all horrified when you, especially you Mrs. Woolley, are stereotyped. So it is ok for you all to do it but not ok for others to do it to you? Give me a break!
And the pinnacle, you have the gall to say someone should kill themselves and it would be a good thing. What in the flying hell is that about! I am shocked amazed and horrified all at once. Especially at you Mrs. Woolley! You lost your own son to suicide yet you allow this sort of thing to be said on your boards? Where the hell are your morals and how can you claim any ground to stand on the issue?
And yes I realize this was a post from one member angry about some things done on another board to which I am in no way affiliated. But the response was incredible in its stupidity and lack of morals. And I could let one post from one member slide, but Mr. Diggo who I understand is basically number two around here decided to lock it but not remove it. I believe he locked it to avoid exactly the type of response I am now formulating. The correct form of action would have been to delete it and quietly inform the poster not to do it again. But by leaving it up you have shown you support what was said inside.
Shame on you, shame on you all. I will not read any other posts, I believe I have had my fill of disgust for one day, I shall return when I need to be disgusted again seeing as how you are now 2 for 2 in accomplishing this for me.
Email addresses are public knowledge. If there are legal ramifications, please research them and let people know. If not, stop threatening.
I agree on one thing you said, though. Why on earth are slams against Shawn left up? Really, mods. Delete them. Please. Maybe it's the paladin in me talking, but there's something to be said for letting him rest without being insulted. Let them call you what they wish on their own heavily-moderated server and guild boards about you being a "Nazi", but this is a privately-owned site. You can do as you wish.
Lisa
First off, my story was not offensive, but it did obviously hit home with you, so maybe you should address why you are/were so angry about that, when those without any guilt issues would have passed it off as merely another post. Not what I said, but how YOU reacted to it. Take some responsibility for your actions like you are telling us to.
Secondly, no you didn't come here to see the response to your post as you stated. Had that been your REAL reason for coming here, you would have seen that no, your reply was NOT deleted as you seemed to think.
Third, the reason I didn't delete the "RTA dumbass" post until NOW was that there are people who post here who are seriously interested in helping others who deserve to see that some of these posts are just mindless trolls who post on their own boards, "I'm going over to the OLGA board and screw with them..let's see how long it takes me to get banned." You see no problem with that though, do you? Of course not.
As for that person posting the email of one of the offenders, what's the difference between that and cross posting the OLGA URL on a flame board? But of course you see no problem with that either right? Of course not. Legal implications? There are none.
Lastly, I locked the thread so that a flame war wouldn't start. But I had to delete the thread anyway, because apparently some are just so argumentative that they are will start one regardless.
Oh, and one more thing. Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not second in charge here. I'm just the only one stupid enough to want to help others who had problems like I had from playing EQ too much. I guess that makes me the only dumb ass here.
Ron
Ron Jaffe AKA Diggo McDiggity
eMail: eqaddict@cfl.rr.com
Discussion Board Administrator
Everquest player from July, 1999 to April, 2002
Over 4,900 Hours Played
Co-Founder of OLGA and member since 2002
It appears reading comprehension is an unpracticed skill here.
Yes I said I would not come back until I felt a need to be disgusted again, well I decided to let morbid curiosity get the better of me and here I am again.
Now, lets do some quick reading comprehension lessons.
Quote:aEUoeThen you post someones email as with the obvious intent of posting his email to be for harassment. Perhaps you should contact a lawyer and find out the legal ramifications of what you have done. And how does inviting the harassment of someone opposed to your cause help your case as those who are harassed? Pure stupidity!aEU
Please, if you would be so kind, point out the threat there? I simply cannot see it. I did not say I was going to contact a lawyer, I did say you should contact a lawyer and not because you need one for defense but to find out just what the law really says. Now if my e-mail address was posted here in the same manner as that one was (i.e. basically saying harass this individual) I would have contacted a lawyer. But it was not mine nor am I in any way affiliated or even associated with the person to whom it did belong. I donaEU(tm)t believe we even share the same server. But for future notice, posting some ones email address is not against the law, but posting any personal contact information of an individual for the purpose of causing harm (i.e. harassment) is.
Diggo said Quote:aEUoeSecondly, no you didn't come here to see the response to your post as you stated. Had that been your REAL reason for coming here, you would have seen that no, your reply was NOT deleted as you seemed to think.aEU
I said Quote:aEUoeI figure I would come here and give you all a second chance. So I get here and see the first post up is rathe travel agency dumbasses at it again.
I see you people still have no real mission other than spreading hatred and lies, and you are sicker than ever.
In case you donaEU(tm)t remember me the last time I was here about 2 months ago Mr diggo wrote what I considered a very offensive short story. I replied to it sharing my disgust at the lowness sunk to in that short story and have no doubt my reply was promptly deleted.
Then I come here read that post and see you all have managed to reach an all-new low.aEU
Yes, I did in fact come here to give you a second chance, as I stated, and quite clearly I thought. Unless of course you presume to know my every thought and motive! I did not come here to see if that post was deleted or not, and nowhere did I indicate those where my intentions. The aEUoethat postaEU referred to in the last line of my quote is the aEUoerta dumbassesaEU post. I came and read the first, most recent, post and was disgusted. Reading comprehension courses can be taken at your local community college. But hey, at least you are right, it was not my REAL reason for coming here, just the reason you fabricated as my reason for appearing. But I am glad to know my last post was not deleted.
And since my last post here was not deleted perhaps you yourself should go back and read it to see just why I did not like it before you jump to more false conclusions. I did and do take responsibility for my actions. Check mate!
I think anyone with more than two brain cells left realizes most of the posts attacking your organization are trolls from other game boards coming to ruffle your feathers and gain browny points with the boys back home. I have no qualms with revealing that type of information, but I did have a lot of problems with the way that post was written. I am sure you have post editing abilities, and if not you could have easily deleted it and rewritten the information on the other posts from the gaming boards without the invitations to harassment, the stereotyping, or the comment that it would be good if one of them killed themselves.
What they are doing here is a sign of their own level of maturity and intelligence. It is not right what they do, and you have full right to delete any posts that are here for that purpose and to ban those responsible. But that is not the issue here. The issue is the aEUoerta dumbassesaEU post was very offensive and disgusting yet allowed some breathing room here until I pointed out how disgusting it was. You have successfully created a strawman and put words in my mouth, if only your reading comprehension was as good. And I realize that if you assume a stance of stupidity you can take my words from the beginning of this paragraph and use them to delete this post and ban me. Yet you will be hard pressed to find where I posted anywhere bragging about how I am coming here to ruffle feathers. So we shall see just how you chose to proceed.
And there is a difference between posting an address to a public (you are public like it or not) board for the purpose of harassing a group, and posting the private contact information of an individual for the purpose of harassing said individual. Like it or not the difference exists. I realize it sucks for you, and believe it or not there are actions you could take should you choose to (like having their board shut down), but I would suggest not doing so because it would be bad PR for you. But if one of them sends you a harassing email, or posts your email clearly for the purpose of causing you to be harassed then you are in an entirely new legal ballgame. And that post was very clearly posted with the intent that the individual be harassed. I am going to believe you knew there was a difference between posting a public forum address and private contact information, because you seem to have at least some degree of intelligence. So why are you playing this charade?
Yes, you locked the thread so a flame war wouldnaEU(tm)t begin, because deep down you knew it would be ugly for you. I ignored that attempt and gave my negative opinion on the matter anyway. Had it been deleted three minutes after created I would have never seen it and would have gone on to read (hopefully) more positive threads. But instead it was locked 3 minutes after creation. And I believe I pointed out that you locked it to avoid aEUoeflamesaEU in my initial response, hence the line aEUoeI believe he locked it to avoid exactly the type of response I am now formulating.aEU It was as you admit a lovely attempt at stopping damage to yourself while keeping damaging evidence towards others, but, alas, you failed!
And I did not come here to argue the first time around, nor did I this time around. I actually came to give you the benefit of the doubt last time and try to help, but I was very offended by your short story and its obvious pulls at emotions for the purpose of spreading your cause. You stepped on very real emotions that I believe I pointed out I have and are in no way related to EQ, and I am certain if I have them then others do as well. It was very inconsiderate, and showed you were willing to overstep certain moral boundaries to further your cause. And this time I cam back to see if maybe, since you were being bombarded at the time by folks from several gaming sites posting here with no reason but to troll and enrage, things might be quieter and not as offensive under normal circumstances. I did in fact come back to give you all a second chance, then the very top post and first and only one I read was that post. Had it not shown any signs of being caught by a moderator here I would have simply added, aEUoePlease delete this drivelaEU to the bottom of it, but it had in fact been seen and granted life by a mod here.
If I went to a guild board and the top most thread was aEUoeHere is an email address for diggo from OLG-anon, please send him a letter to tell him how much you hate him, it would be great if ShawnaEU(tm)s mom committed suicide tooaEU I would have been equally offended, probably would have left a similar message and most certainly would not become affiliated with that guild. Perhaps in this light you can see my disgust.
Now, I may be encouraged by further morbid curiosity to return, but I certainly do not hold your site or its movement in high regards at the moment and will inform any who inquire about it of my feelings. In closing I must say, it still blows my mind that you would leave a thread up where someone says someone else should commit suicide on a board dedicated to the memory of someone who committed suicide. Mind boggling, but I am glad that post was deleted; it is only to bad it took my noticing it and commenting to get it deleted.
Quote:Now, I may be encouraged by further morbid curiosity to return . . .
This reminded me of when I used to listen to Howard Stern, when I had a 45 minute commute every morning. People would call up and say how much they hated his show, yet they apparently listened a lot, as they knew so much about the cast and the details of what went on. These people weren't "fans," they apparently were "monitoring" the show as Howard and cast used to laugh about it. They too apparently had a "morbid curiosity."
Over the months we've gotten quite a few posters who do that "this is the last time I'm coming here" thing, and then continue to post for weeks and weeks. Also like this poster, they professed to be posting out of a genuine desire to "help us." That style is common on flame boards. "It appears reading comprehension is an unpracticed skill here" is sooo 1990's.
I've been falling down on my moderating duties and simply hadn't noticed some of the recent threads. As Ron wrote, there is great value in leaving a lot of this up for all to see and form their own opinions. But when posts cross the line, they *do* get deleted, without appology.